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Lea Anne
Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2011-03-16 8:39 PM (#131735)
Subject: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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I believe it has been a couple years ago I saw some postings related to the new (at that time) Ford trucks which were coming out with a new 150 engine that I thought there was some discussion about the possiblity that they would be able to haul a trailer easily.  Been reading some of the newer postings, looks like the concensus is still that a 3/4 is still the best route for hauling a trailer.  I have a 29 ft. 8 wide Elite which I currently pull with a Dodge 2500 with hemi motor.  My husband wants a Ford, should we stay with the 3/4?  Saw some of the discussion about a V10....don't want one of those for sure (sorry).  Appreciate any input.
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Flush
Reg. Jan 2005
Posted 2011-03-17 1:01 AM (#131748 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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I can't imagine going to anything less than a 3/4 Ton truck with a 29' long 8' wide trailer.

Supposedly the new Ford Diesel is getting much better mileage than the engine it replaced (which wasn't great in terms of mileage) but it's a brand new engine with unknown long term reliability which is something that concerns me as I tend to keep vehicles WAY beyond the warranty period. I don't know anything about the new Ford gas engines, but they do have some.

 

 

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wyndancer
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2011-03-17 7:35 AM (#131755 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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There's really noting inherently wrong about the Ford V-10. Good motor. And 29'ft is pushing the limits of a 250. I have a 250, and pull 24'ft x 8'....it's enough.
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GRNMCHNEDAZE
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2011-03-17 7:51 AM (#131757 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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If you're going to be purchasing a NEW truck, the V10 is no longer offered (unless you step up to the F450 cab/chassis or F550). Even though the V10 was an excellent engine. The new 6.2l V8 is, from what I've read, a very good engine. However, I can't imagine that Hemi enjoyed pulling a 29' long 8' wide trailer; I don't think the 6.2 would be happy either. The Fords are inherently a larger and heavier truck.

My suggestion would be to go with the 6.7 Powerstroke, but like earlier stated, it has not been proven yet on longevity.
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2011-03-17 8:27 AM (#131761 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up



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If you were pulling a 3H 19foot long GN,  Maybe the F150 with the econoboost engine would be OK. But with a trailer your size, Stick with the F350 trucks. The main difference between the 250 and the 350 is a heavier springs and the Hydroboost Brakes.

I've had my 2011 6.7L since last summer.  So far it has been a great truck. The dealers are worried about becoming Maytag Repair Men, Since very few are coming in for any kind of warranty work. But most of the new trucks haven't exceeded about 20,000 miles of use.  So what type of failures we will see at 100,000 miles are still unknown. But the first years of use has been very uneventful from a repairs standpoint.

Empty, this new engine gets very good fuel mileage.  I've gotten 22-23 mpg on 65-70 mph 300 mile trips. Empty around town chasing is about 15-15.5  mpg. Which is about 2 mpg better than my 6.0L did. Pulling my trailers I get about the same as my 6.0L engines did. But this engine has much better power for the towing.  Much quieter,

Yes the new engine gets better fuel mileage than the 2008-2010 6.4L engines. But it's not a lot better than the older 7.3L or 6.0L engines. But don't get your expectations up hoping that a 8000lb pickup will get great mileage.

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Paul D
Reg. Oct 2009
Posted 2011-03-17 9:18 AM (#131765 - in reply to #131761)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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Painted Horse, I would like to here your opinion on loaded fuel mileage with your new Ford. A guy I work with recently pulled a dual tandem gooseneck flatbed trailer with a John Deere 5520 (w/cab) loader tractor home from Alabama with his 2011 Ford 6.7L diesel. Between Chattanooga, TN and Nashville, TN he set the cruise on 77 MPH going up the mountain. At the top he was still running 77 MPH but he pushed the fuel mileage readout and it showed 3.2 MPG average fuel mileage. I know it takes fuel to make horsepower, but if these new engines burn that much I know I don't want one. Have you ever seen that kind of fuel mileage with your Ford?

Thanks, Paul

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GRNMCHNEDAZE
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2011-03-17 10:11 AM (#131767 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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I would imagine the "lie-o-meters" are real time instead of average. That said, pulling that kind of weight at 77mph is going to substantially reduce the fuel economy of any vehicle. Especially uphill.

I think this was a poor example of fuel economy. Just because you can tow that fast, doesn't mean you should.

Also, I have noticed that if I tow with the cruise control on, my truck's fuel economy sinks like nobody's business.  The truck can't see the hill in front of you, so it waits until it begins to struggle then its full throttle to the top of the hill to maintain speed. Whereas a person can adjust early for the hill. I don't tow with cruise on anymore.  

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2011-03-17 11:21 AM (#131770 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up



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My trailer is 4H GN with a Hay rack, So Lots of frontal air resistance. It weighs around 13,000 lbs when loaded.

Last fall when going Elk hunting, I would leave home at 4475 foot elevation and drive 5 hours to over 10,000 foot.  I would pass over numerous mountain passes.  Some of the drive was on Freeway at 70 mph, Some on secondary roads at 60 mph and some gravel roads at 35-40.  For the trip avgs I was getting 15 mpg.  This was the actual avg and not what the computer was showing on the dash.

Around town pulling my Skid loader, Mini Excavator, dump trailers. I usually avg around 11.5 mpg. These are usually 8000-11,000 lb loads and have lots of start/stop.

My truck has the 3:55 rear end and the 20" tires and is geared to cruise at 1650 rpm at 70 mph. Driving at 75-80 drops my mileage a lot. If I can get the truck up into 6th gear and cruise at 65 at 1500 rpm, My mileage is much better. When I drive up 7% or 8% grade pulling a trailer at 7000-8000 foot elevation my instant mpg gauge drops to the 4-5 mpg range. But my averages are never that low.

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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2011-03-17 11:29 AM (#131771 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up



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I will add that wind resistance is much more of factor than the weight.  On my previous 6.0L truck, I hauled a 16,000 trailer from SLC to Yellowstone and back, about 800 miles for the trip and got 12.0 mpg for the trip.  When I bought my current GN, I went up Boise to pick it up and hauled the empty trailer back home. It weighed just under 7,000lbs empty. I got 12.5 mpg on a relatively flat freeway drive (Boise to SLC). so being 9000 lbs lighter had almost no effect on the mileage, But having the same frontal air profile caused the mpg to be almost the same.

If your friend had a large John Deere tractor catching the wind behind the truck, I can see his mileage dropping off. It is amazing how much parasitic drag can affect your mileage.  I've always got better mileage pulling a clean Gooseneck horse trailer.  Add an awning, hayrack, drop windows that are open, or anything else that affects the air flow across your trailer will affect your mileage

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alabamaroper
Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2011-03-17 9:11 PM (#131791 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up


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we have a 2011 f-450 to pull our 4 horse sundowner, and we average about 14mpg loaded, we love it! we had a 05 3500 cummins and it pulled it but nothing like the ford does, we looked at new cummins and duramaxs but nothing was more powerfull than the 6.7 powerstroke! we will enjoy it, we have 36,000 on it and it runs like a new one.
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ridingarocky
Reg. Aug 2008
Posted 2011-03-21 9:56 AM (#131915 - in reply to #131735)
Subject: RE: thinking of buying new Ford Pick up



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I have also begun "looking around some" in regards to trading in my new (1yr old) 5.7L Tundra. it has great interior space and drives as smooth as my prior SUV did, but is a gas guzzling son-of-a-gun.... Avg mpg is @ 13-14 empty and driving careful.. @ 8 when loaded with my 2H BP (all alum) with 2-3 bales of hay, one saddle, corral panels, buckets, and my 900 lb mare. However. 99% of my trailer-pulling is on fairly big hill-country hills. I try to stay @ 60 mph when pulling, but occasionally go to 65, rarely faster if its flat. I do not use my cruise unless I am on the flat. I am flat-out jealous of my friend who gets 19-plus pulling a 3H LQ with her dodge 350. I am working towards finding a small LQ or weekend package..There are a lot of diesels for sale right now.. I am keeping my eyes open.
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