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finestepfarm
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-13 2:03 PM (#114201)
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Hello, I have a 2006 Ford F250 4x4 cc 6.0l V-8 auto diesel truck.  The GCWR is 23000 and the GN is 15500. 

I am looking for a LQ trailer and have no idea how to plug in the numbers for weight etc.  The trailer I'm looking at is a 94 Sundowner 11 SW, its a stock combo 4 horse and it weighs  GVWR 5750lbs.  GAWR lbs. ft. 7000.  I'll be hauling 2 small donkeys, 250-300# each, a mini buggy 400# and 2 Paso's at 800# each.  So please tell me how to plug the numbers in.  Thanks Tammi

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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2009-12-13 2:06 PM (#114202 - in reply to #114201)
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You really need to have the trailer weighed.   The weight provided is low, probably before LQ were added. 

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-13 10:09 PM (#114221 - in reply to #114201)
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Originally written by finestepfarm on 2009-12-13 2:03 PM

Hello, I have a 2006 Ford F250 4x4 cc 6.0l V-8 auto diesel truck.  The GCWR is 23000 and the GN is 15500. 

I am looking for a LQ trailer and have no idea how to plug in the numbers for weight etc.  The trailer I'm looking at is a 94 Sundowner 11 SW, its a stock combo 4 horse and it weighs  GVWR 5750lbs.  GAWR lbs. ft. 7000.  I'll be hauling 2 small donkeys, 250-300# each, a mini buggy 400# and 2 Paso's at 800# each.  So please tell me how to plug the numbers in.  Thanks Tammi

First check your GCWR, I just bought a 2006 FORD F-350 crew cab dually with the powerstroke engine and torqshift auto trans. 2 WD.  I checked the GCWV on it and it is 20-k lbs GROSS COMBINE CARRYING CAP!

Also, I used this F-350 this weekend to haul our 2004 SUNDOWNER 8010 3 horse LQ trailer with and HATE IT!  My trailer is 14-k lbs with water and 2 horses and the truck is not enough truck to haul my trailer.  The truck is great unloaded, but after I was loaded it is a DOG! 



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PaulChristenson
Reg. Jan 2007
Posted 2009-12-14 2:07 AM (#114223 - in reply to #114201)
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Originally written by finestepfarm on 2009-12-13 3:03 PM

Hello, I have a 2006 Ford F250 4x4 cc 6.0l V-8 auto diesel truck.  The GCWR is 23000 and the GN is 15500. 

I am looking for a LQ trailer and have no idea how to plug in the numbers for weight etc.  The trailer I'm looking at is a 94 Sundowner 11 SW, its a stock combo 4 horse and it weighs  GVWR 5750lbs.  GAWR lbs. ft. 7000.  I'll be hauling 2 small donkeys, 250-300# each, a mini buggy 400# and 2 Paso's at 800# each.  So please tell me how to plug the numbers in.  Thanks Tammi

I seriously doubt your F250 has a GCWR of 23000...unless there was some serious custom work performed on your axle and you have special SRW tires and rims to support such loads...

 

Here is a calculator for working out how much trailer you can tow...

http://changingears.com/rv-sec-calc-trailer-weight-fw.shtml



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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-12-14 2:30 AM (#114224 - in reply to #114201)
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PSD engine, 4x4, long bed:

First number is the gross combinded weight, second number is rear axle weight rating.


GCWR rear GAWR (1)
'04 model F-250 20,000 6,084
F-350 SRW 20,000 6,830
F-350 DRW 20,000 8,250

'05 model F-250 23,000 6,100
F-350 SRW 23,000 7,000
F-350 DRW 23,500 9,000
F-350 TowBoss 26,000 9,000

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(1) = footnote says do NOT exceed vehicle GVWR, even if the GAWR is not reached yet. So you should ignore rear GAWR and go by vehicle GVWR.

The '04 model is similar to all '99-'04 models. Some of the F-250 PSDs in those years have a 6,830 rear GAWR.

The '06 model is the same as the '05 model. Beginning with 2005 models, GVWR varies with wheelbase and drivetrain, so only the biggest, baddest example is listed above.

Here's some numbers on the 2010's.....  http://www.fordvehicles.com/trucks/superduty/specifications/towing/

 

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finestepfarm
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-14 7:54 AM (#114225 - in reply to #114201)
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Hello, The GCWR I got off the Ford brochure 6.0L power stroke, 3.73 axle ration says GCWR is 23,000#. My truck also has a 10000# GVWR package, I dont know if that helps or not. I used to have a 99 Hart 3 horse with midtack and 8' sw it towed that just fine. Its so confusing :)
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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-14 9:35 AM (#114235 - in reply to #114225)
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Originally written by finestepfarm on 2009-12-14 7:54 AM

Hello, The GCWR I got off the Ford brochure 6.0L power stroke, 3.73 axle ration says GCWR is 23,000#. My truck also has a 10000# GVWR package, I dont know if that helps or not. I used to have a 99 Hart 3 horse with midtack and 8' sw it towed that just fine. Its so confusing :)

I have never seen an F-250 with 3.73 gear have a 10-k gvw.  However I do have a 2005 F-250 with 4.10 gears and a 9900 gwv.  The F-350 dually I just bought and used over the weekend has 4.10 gear and 13-k gvw and I have another 2005 F-350 with dual wheels and 3.73 gear with a 11-k gvw!

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-12-14 9:47 AM (#114236 - in reply to #114201)
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GVWR on the F-250 starts at 8800, 9000, 9200, 9400, 9600, 9800, and 10000#, depending on configuration. F-350 starts at 10000 and go's to 13000. The F-450 pickup is 14500#.

 HTB... How bad did your trailer squat that F-350?

 



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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2009-12-14 10:11 AM (#114240 - in reply to #114221)
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Hey Hogtown. Welcome to my FORD nightmare! Except mine is a 2008 450 with the 26K capacity. It turns into a dog with the 4Star 4H non LQ with 2 horses in it! Have yet to trust it enough to even hook to the big LQ trailer that it was sold to me to pull! 

First check your GCWR, I just bought a 2006 FORD F-350 crew cab dually with the powerstroke engine and torqshift auto trans. 2 WD.  I checked the GCWV on it and it is 20-k lbs GROSS COMBINE CARRYING CAP!

Also, I used this F-350 this weekend to haul our 2004 SUNDOWNER 8010 3 horse LQ trailer with and HATE IT!  My trailer is 14-k lbs with water and 2 horses and the truck is not enough truck to haul my trailer.  The truck is great unloaded, but after I was loaded it is a DOG! 


 

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-14 12:35 PM (#114250 - in reply to #114201)
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Well to start with, since our Dodge is a C/C truck it sets up much higher I had to drop the hitch on the trailer about 5" then the truck looked like a "squating dog" and the rear of the trailer was still a little high.

I have had a few of these trucks, but this is the 1st one that I have had to use to haul with. All of them seem to be good solid trucks UNLOADED, but loaded is a different story.  After we was rolling we was fine, but going up hils or through town was wosre than driving my old 1992 F-350 non turbo truck.

Man I sure miss the EXHAUST BRAKE on our Dodge, good thing we get it back today.......

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finestepfarm
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-14 2:04 PM (#114252 - in reply to #114201)
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Now I'm thoroughly confused!!! I kept the window sticker when I bought it and the 10000# is under optional installed equipment. and the 23000# GCWR is from the Ford brochure 2006 page 29 where it says 5th wheel towing max weights. So now where do I turn to find out the corrects weights?
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-12-14 3:27 PM (#114255 - in reply to #114252)
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Originally written by finestepfarm on 2009-12-14 3:04 PM

Now I'm thoroughly confused!!! I kept the window sticker when I bought it and the 10000# is under optional installed equipment. and the 23000# GCWR is from the Ford brochure 2006 page 29 where it says 5th wheel towing max weights. So now where do I turn to find out the corrects weights?

 

Look here, go to page 17, you'll have to pick out how your truck is equipped......  https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2006/2006RVguideApr08.pdf

 

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finestepfarm
Reg. Feb 2008
Posted 2009-12-14 4:09 PM (#114258 - in reply to #114201)
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Isnt a goose neck trailer a fifth wheel and a conventional trailer a bumper pull?
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2009-12-14 5:13 PM (#114263 - in reply to #114201)
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Correct...

 

 

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headhunter
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2009-12-15 6:00 PM (#114294 - in reply to #114201)
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You guys with the issues hauling with F350's? Have you replaced fuel filters recently? Dirty or clogged fuel filters will really affect performance, especially when towing.
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Painted Horse
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Posted 2009-12-15 7:47 PM (#114295 - in reply to #114252)
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Mine is a 2006 F350 also, and I also kept the brouchure. On page 29 it shows a Crew Cab 4x4 Diesel SRW rated at maximum trailer weight of 15,500 lbs. The maximum payload at 4,000lbs.  I don't see a GCVW listed in the brouchure. But I seem to remember the sticker in the door of my truck shows GCVW at 23,500 or there abouts.

My 4h Logan LQ was 16,000 lbs loaded with horses and ready for the weekend. So Iwas slightly over the maximum trailer rating. Going across the scales, I was usually 60-70 lbs over the GCVW. My truck pulled it just fine. I live at 4470foot elevation and drive a lot up to 8500 foot. Ok, it worked hard to get up 7% grades at 7500 foot elevation. But it still pulled the grades at 55mph. I had even upsized my tires to the 285/75R18 to get the extra load rating of 600 lbs more per tire than the stock 275/70R18s.  Thats a 2" taller tire that should of had some effect on my performance.

Bushycreek, either you have one heavy trailer, or something is not right with your truck. As head hunter suggested. Check the air filter, fuel fiter etc.

 

 



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brushycreekranch
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2009-12-15 10:47 PM (#114304 - in reply to #114295)
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Something is definately not right. It has been in the shop 7 times for the same issues. The service writers are really clever at how they right it up. The last time, I addressed it by writing a letter and making the service mgr sign it!  It lost 4 miles to the gal  and stayed in regen for 75% of the trip home today when loaded with 2500 # of pelleted shavings centered directly over the axle all shrink wrapped on a single pallet. No trailer......

painted horse wrote: Bushycreek, either you have one heavy trailer, or something is not right with your truck. As head hunter suggested.

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hogtownboss
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2009-12-17 10:11 PM (#114364 - in reply to #114304)
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Originally written by brushycreekranch on 2009-12-15 10:47 PM

Something is definately not right. It has been in the shop 7 times for the same issues. The service writers are really clever at how they right it up. The last time, I addressed it by writing a letter and making the service mgr sign it!  It lost 4 miles to the gal  and stayed in regen for 75% of the trip home today when loaded with 2500 # of pelleted shavings centered directly over the axle all shrink wrapped on a single pallet. No trailer......

painted horse wrote: Bushycreek, either you have one heavy trailer, or something is not right with your truck. As head hunter suggested.

bcr, I was having the same problems ever so often with my Dodge and the DFP crap around 20-k miles..    It all fell off and mileage and power both went up!  Had to send it back to Dodge last week and they found the vent tube on top of the tank was sucking dirt into the fuel system.  So Dodge fixed that then install a NEW turbo, lift pump and all of the egr stuff.  As soon as I got home the DPF and egr stuff fell off again and now the truck is running better than ever. 

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hogtownboss
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Posted 2009-12-17 10:13 PM (#114365 - in reply to #114294)
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Originally written by headhunter on 2009-12-15 6:00 PM

You guys with the issues hauling with F350's? Have you replaced fuel filters recently? Dirty or clogged fuel filters will really affect performance, especially when towing.

Not in my case, everytime I buy a truck I have it serviced and all filters changed.  The only problem is the unmodified 6.0's just can't do what the 7.3's or Dodges can do. PERIOD!

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liv to ride
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Posted 2009-12-17 10:43 PM (#114366 - in reply to #114240)
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i know everyone has their favorite truck brands. likes and dislikes. Mine happens to be a chevy crew cab dually with a duramax and a allison transmission. more power than you know what to do with, great ride, decent mileage and my truck has held up very well. only time it has been to the shop is for an oil change. I pull a 14" LQ with a slide , 4-horse and it just sails down the road and will pull a fairly steep grade at about 65-70. My husbands ford is a 2004/ 6.0 engine diesel, automatic 4wd dually and it will pull quite a bit 10-12 tons of hay, but you had better have 5 miles if want to pass some one. the truck has been in the shop more than its out. No thanks I'll take my chevy anyday.
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liv to ride
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Posted 2009-12-17 11:13 PM (#114367 - in reply to #114201)
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Sorry i got a liitle sidetracked. I agree with head hunter about having the trailer weighed. also if you haven't already done this check the sticker on the inside of the door and of course the owners mannual. According to the way you truck is equipped you should be able find your information there. If your ford dealership has a person that has extensive knowledge on towing that is a great source of information. hope this helps Good luck.
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