hoss, what about all the other people bashing sundowner BEFORE the anonymous user joined in? (cant wait to hear this answer) i agree... open forum? dont think so...

p.s. hwbar...get used to that sort of thing around here...they rate you on how many posts you have, not what you actually know

bd1:  I'll assume you were addressing my last post ... and number of posts.  Here's your much anticipated reply...

The fact you cited, other people bashing Sundowner before the thread was locked proves the open-ness of the forum discussion.  It wasn't all sweetness to Sundowner.  A Sundowner contact was published for all concerned with the vouchers.  I consider that a piece of valuable information.

In all things, balance is key. 

As to the number of my posts, I happen to like participating in discussions on a subject I've spent much time and money.  I get valuble information.  I hope the info I share in return is valuable to someone.  The ratings as you called them, aren't ratings, just labels. Maybe, to encourage participation by the forum owners.  You would see this if you would spend some time here reading as opposed to spewing about how someone keeps THEIR house clean.  We are all guests on this site.  A respectful guest never complains about their host. 

I wouldn't tolerate a whinney guest in my house.  Dave does,  He is much nicer than I.

Post is closed. Post is still there for all to read.  Those are indeed "facts" for those who want facts.  Another "fact."  It's Dave's sandbox.  I can either play in his yard or pickup my toys and go home.  Life's tough - wear a helmet!

Well, I learned a LOT from that thread.

I learned that the the horse trailer business IMHO is a very shady industry at best. Apparently there are some real good dealers and some real bad ones!

I learned in the horse trailer business that some of the trailer manufactures believe they are no way tied to any of the dealings of their dealers regardless of what they do. I'm the last person to advocate suing, but I think this voucher case is a prime candidate for a class action suit. Let the legal folks determine if the dealer/manufacturer truly bears no responsibility. The simple fact those dealers are no longer affiliated with the manufacturer, in no way means the manufacturer bears no liability. It may pan out that way, but I don't think anything has been proven with the facts presented here.

And most importantly I learned this board is crawling with dealers. I have no problem with dealers participating, as I am sure they have a lot to add to discussions, but it sure would be nice if dealers were identified as such. I really appreciate the dealer who openly did identify themselves, it shows class and it also shows they have nothing to hide. What does that say about the "secret" dealers?

I also learned I will never be buying a trailer from a Sundowner dealer in Cheyenne WY!

-Flush (A joe-nobody with nothing to sell you)

What a shame that slamming still goes on.

It doesn't matter who is on the boards, I think most people have an idea who gives good advice and who doesn't.

This board exists from income from somewhere. If it didn't have ads/sell ads/ or have dealers, we'd be on a yahoo email list.

And this board's format is way preferable to that.

Jbsny

"DeRanger,
I hate to say it, but Truth is right. It’s never been a big secret that Sundowner owned the Superstores. Have for a long time. And they were the only ones that participated in the voucher program."

Horsey1, THANK YOU! By restating that information is in no way bashing Sundowner whatsoever. And on the contrary to DeRangers' “humble opinion” I feel that information will be a tremendous help for those suffering the repercussions of the voucher program. Here is why; if those affected by the voucher program feel they are at a total loss due to the fact Bryant Jones is no longer there, as Sundowner Corp informed, then they might be under the assumption they stand to gain nothing AT ALL. Now, knowing that the MFG. Had and still has ownership in that particular dealership, the consumer will have some leverage to try and get Corp. to accept partial responsibility or allow Sundowner to “make it right” with them. I think that is what readers would assume when they read my post. I should have stated the obvious so everyone could keep up with the conversation. So I believe that I am being helpful to those that are directly affected by this tragic situation.

It's been a long time since I graced the boards but I'm back now.

I almost had a client purchase during the voucher program.  I made her read all the tiny print and she found out it was full of things that made her hair stand-up.  She wasn't having any part of it and now I'm so glad.

The sad part is that the name Sundowner has taken a huge hit in the public eye.  With the market being so close I don't know how they'll keep pushing trailers the way they do.  This black mark may never come off the brand.

The really sad part is the small local dealers that sell the brand may be hit the hardest.  Once bitten twice shy, may put some of them out of business.  The larger company owned stores will survive.

When you have a name that the public trusts and looks up to, you are obligated to protect them.  Like Ford did with the Firestone tires, Ford didn't say well take it up with Firestone, did they?  Instead they took care of their customers and replaced the tires because customer service IS job #1!

*exiting soap box*

This is NOT an open forum - just like pretty much anywhere on the web, its got rules which are what they are at the moment and can and will be changed at any time to suit the needs of the forum owner and its sponsors/advertisers. 

That's the right of the individuals who run this corner of the web!

As participants we have the privilege of participating in this forum.

LAXPatrick