Posted 2008-02-19 5:27 PM (#77297 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
No joke.Rust through has not been a issue in a long long time.Manufactures did lots of studys and metal up grades starting with studys on the coasts and islands.Islands were/are the worst for rust.The undercoating/rustproofing industarys hey day is long gone.Mid 80s was the turning point.I saw studies and read about the changes,was able to talk to engineers that all they did was rust study.Go on truck and auto forums.Rust is NEVER a subject or issue.Paint chips/fade etc is sometimes but not rust.Note the vehicles and year models you come across and look at body condition.
Posted 2008-02-19 8:51 PM (#77335 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Posts: 1205 Location: Danielsville Georgia
Engineers say that coast,islands beat Northern states hands down for rust.Nissan had the rust issue down to almost nothing by late 80s.Not talking about surface rust but rust perforation.You just don't see the rusty hulks of autos like you use to. The ONLY two vehicles I've had RUST have been a WW horse trailer and this CM trailer.
Posted 2008-02-19 10:17 PM (#77342 - in reply to #77253) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Originally written by HaulinHorses on 2008-02-19 10:36 AM
He's rude because he's a Sundowner dealer who would rather see this thread disappear. Want to wager a guess if he will inform his customers of the problems talked about here?
And that my friend would be the reason I don't own one. A dealership in Oklahoma is filled with a BUNCH of rude people but only AFTER you buy a trailer from them....
Posted 2008-02-19 10:23 PM (#77343 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Hounddog
I don't want to start a jousting match, but what you're saying is absolutely false. Either you are blindly accepting the veracity of experts who obviously have never set foot in this area, or you have no context as to real world conditions.
First I'm told that all trucks and cars have under coating from the factory, mine don't, and now I'm told that the rust buckets that I've owned and the similar ones I pass daily, don't exist.
I won't get crude and tell you where you've been looking. I have lived in NY and PA all my life. I am particularly familiar with what I see on a daily basis. What you are describing is not true. A ten minute visit to my locality would prove how wrong you are.
You will have to find some other "experts" who have actually seen what they so poorly describe. The title of a book "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining" is my most apropos answer to your statements.
Posted 2008-02-19 10:28 PM (#77345 - in reply to #77257) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Originally written by 3yrHitch2Bumper on 2008-02-19 11:14 AM
Is it that Sundowner has a cross hair on it's logo so that whenever there is an issue with one of their trailers that the general public just hammers on them to make a pointQUOTE]
H--- no,it's EXISS,or don't you read all of the threads????!!!!!
Posted 2008-02-19 11:40 PM (#77356 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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I have watched this thread for the last few days, and have enjoyed everyone's responses. However, I only became compelled to respond to this myself when I see 3YrHitch continue to say that Sundowner is the ONLY company that has a Transferrable Warranty. This is COMPLETELY false. There are several other trailer manufacturers that have Transferrable Warranties, Structural and otherwise. RTSmith corrected this statement from 3Yr a few days ago, but apparently his comments missed the mark, as he continues to tout this untrue statement to all of us. I am not picking on anyone, or taking sides, for that matter. However, I feel strongly that incorrect information should not go un-noticed. These forums are a great source of information for horse trailer buyers, however, if not provided with accurate information, then we defeat the purpose, don't we?? My two cents....
Posted 2008-02-20 4:12 AM (#77357 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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You read one section wrong.They DON"T have undecoating and the big era of spraying them is long gone.Granted I don't live in YOUR area but the auto manufactures came a million miles in prep of metal and paint to prevent rust.I spent over 25 years in the auto industary and the change in what use to be rust holes through auto bodys was a millon precent improvement over yester year.Take some photos of 10 to 15 year old auto's and lets SEE rust holes? How bad does galvneal rust in your area? Whats galveneal on my C&M trailer has NO rust any where.All the OTHER sections of it does.
Posted 2008-02-20 7:49 AM (#77368 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Gard.Before you refer to anyone pissing on someones leg I think you need to do a internet search on RUST IN THE AUTO INDUSTERY.Might help you on YOUR mis infomation.Lots of reading backing up what I stated.Articles such as RUST NO LONGER A MAJOR CAR CONCERN and statements like the LAST 30 years autos are better then ever and vituraly RUST free.www.accessmylibrary.com is one piece of reading and theres many many more pages. The STEEL trailer industary could upgrade to the same standards.If I make a statement thats mis informed I own up to it.But I try to have my facts straight before I open my mouth.
Posted 2008-02-20 8:18 AM (#77371 - in reply to #77368) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Why does everyone have to "piss on someone's leg." Let your yes be yes and your no be no. If you don't agree with someone, challenge them for some sources, and smile. You don't have to make comments about someone you don't agree with. This is what scares people away . . . with valuable input.
Some call it bullying.
And if you're challenged, smile for the opportunity to quote some sources. If they still don't believe you, move on. You've done your job. If you're using the board to "win" arguments and throw cute one-liners, you don't need to continue.
Ex.) Most of us understand that great improvements have been made against rust. (I've owned that Ford, over the wheel well rust bucket in the sixties, and now an eight year old modern version with NO spots above the wheel well, and I'm from Minnesota) And most of us also know that rust is as sure as death and taxes. So what!
Posted 2008-02-20 8:33 AM (#77377 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Hey I didn't start it and I used the terms thrown at me.Two wrongs don't make a right but there is a way to reply to someone you don't agree with.I knew my facts when I posted to start with.Anyone can look up the info.I'm done with the subject.
Posted 2008-02-20 8:41 AM (#77380 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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3yrHitch2Bumper, it seems you are the spokesperson for Sundowner, so will you please answer my two questions? Are the Sundowner dealers going to sell the powder coated steel frame trailers they have in stock without rebuilding them? If so, are yall going to advise the customer of the rust problem? Two very simple straight forward questions. Can I get a simple straight forward answer please? I was almost hooked into buying one and would not want it to happen to someone else.
Posted 2008-02-20 10:05 AM (#77390 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Something else I found interesting was that the same day I sent them the info I rec'd here and asked if it was true, I sent them a different question. They IMMEDIATELY answered the other question I had (a weight question about one of their trailers), but it took several days to get the response I posted above.
Posted 2008-02-20 10:25 AM (#77391 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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I just read this front to back(it is kind of moving around alot) But I think someone said that they don"t Have recalls in the horse trailer industry. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Cimmaron have a roof recall in the last year or so. Again, I think I read that the problem is on older sundowners not the current models. The current models have a fix with the suncoat applied over the paint. Just trying to get back to the point of this thread. If I'm wrong on my assumtions I'm sure someone will chime in.
Posted 2008-02-20 10:53 AM (#77395 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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I agree...I think this can and should remain a positive and informative thread. I don't think it was meant to slam Sundowner trailers.. just the owners of them trying to get some answers to what COULD be a serious problem. I do think Sundowner should answer any and all questions regarding this more personally than just an auto response e-mail..i for one am now more confused than ever.I hope everyone can remain civil and we can solve this as there are a lot of very informed and knowledgeable people on here. If we do have to add one liners,how about this one..."Be careful,the toes you step on today may be attached to the A$$ you have to kiss tomorrow!
Posted 2008-02-20 5:33 PM (#77442 - in reply to #76773) Subject: RE: ATTN: OWNERS OF SUNDOWNER TAILERS
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Thank you Gard. I was hoping he or Sundowner one would step up and answer. I see they are not. I think their silence is an answer to all of us. I think their credability is gone. It is sad.
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