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TBchick
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2011-04-10 3:48 PM (#132853)
Subject: Tire pressure for 3/4 ton?


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I'm getting a lot of different answers from people who don't tow, so I figure I'll get better answers from people who do. What tire pressure do you recommend for a 3/4 ton Chevy towing approx 5,000lbs? I looked in my manual, but all it says is don't under or over inflate the tires...duh. I understand it's different for fronts and rears, but other than that I'm feeling a bit clueless.
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gonzo1066
Reg. Oct 2010
Posted 2011-04-10 6:28 PM (#132860 - in reply to #132853)
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The only way to do this correctly,  Load the trailer and find a public scale.   Weigh the front axle of the truck, record this figure.   Weigh the whole truck, record this figure, then weigh the trailer.          Your tires will have a weight rating on them. Usually on the sidewall, will say someting like  3500# at 60PSI.  This will be the weight rating at maximum PSI of air.    When you do your math on the tires maximum weight rating remember there are two tires holding the load.     There is more to it (to get the correct pressure) but there is limited space to cover everything.          Or the easy way is, take your rig with the axle weights to a good tire shop.   Let them tell you what is right.  

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wyndancer
Reg. Apr 2007
Posted 2011-04-10 6:29 PM (#132861 - in reply to #132853)
Subject: RE: Tire pressure for 3/4 ton?


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Towing or hauling? Really the question is how much hitch weight from a bumper pull, or how much pin weight from a GN? And what ply rating the tires are. On my '01 Ford F250 Powerstroke I run 65lbs front and 80lbs rear...when I have the LQ GN on. Empty I run the rears 50lbs.

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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2011-04-10 6:31 PM (#132862 - in reply to #132853)
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If they are load range "E", 80 psi is the maximum pressure. Load range "D" would be 65 psi, load range "C" is 50 psi..... There may be a tag inside you drivers door near the latching mechanism that would have the correct pressure for the factory tires that were on the truck when new.... If the tire size or load range on the truck is different that whats stated on the tag, then go with the correct pressure thats recomended by the mfg.  

I always run the maximum pressure thats stamped on the tire's sidewall, but that's just me. I'm not one to adjust the air pressure up or down every time I hitch to a trailer. I run 80 psi in all of my load range "E" (10 ply rated) tires.

Here's a handy chart, adjust your pressure according to the load you're carrying.... http://www.goodyear.com/rv/pdf/rv_inflation.pdf

 

 

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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-04-10 11:19 PM (#132870 - in reply to #132853)
Subject: RE: Tire pressure for 3/4 ton?


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The argument about which tire pressure is correct for hauling a trailer, is as old as Ford vs Chevy, Do I inflate per the door post rating or the tire manufacturer? There are advocates of each in both camps.

The problem arises when you're hauling a load. The door sticker may say to use 55 PSI. This is an average used by the manufacturer to allow a comfortable ride and allow some light loading. The Firestone/Ford debacle was the result of a manufacturer, that was more concerned about ride quality, than the life span of an underinflated tire.

When you are pulling and carrying a load, you want the highest load factor your rig can provide. This is only accomplished when the tires are at their optimum capacity. As was stated, this is marked on the sidewall of each tire, and varies according to the ply rating of the tire. When the tire is at it's maxium pressure, it will provide the most load capacity, have the least rolling resistance and run the coolest. This will ensure the longest, possible longevity.

If you run the truck tires at the door posted pressure, and then put a ton or more of weight on the pin, the tires will become under inflated for the load. In use, the tires will quickly heat up, the sidewalls will absorb most of the heat, at a point the sidewall carcass layers will delaminate, and you will suffer a sidewall blow out.

Idealy it is best to inflate your tires to accommodate the current loading. This can be burdensome if the truck is used for daily transportation during the week, and used to tow on the weekends. Many people will keep their tires at their maxium inflation all the time, including me.

You probably have heard many derogratory statements about this practise. You will suffer a bad ride, wear out the suspension, abnormally wear the center of your tires etc. I even had one person tell me, that the edges of the tire wouldn't touch the payment under a full pressure, light load situation. Unless he installed bicycle tires, this is simply not true.

Like many others, I run the maxium inflation not only on my truck, but my trailers as well. Other than one brand which suffered a catastrophic carcass failure, I have never worn out the centers, or had an overheating failure using maxium pressures. My ride is acceptacle and the truck's suspension remains fully intact.

 

 

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GRNMCHNEDAZE
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2011-04-11 5:36 AM (#132874 - in reply to #132853)
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Another one running the full 80 psi all the time. I also run full pressure in all the trailer tires.

I have not experienced premature tire wear or suspension problems.

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horsecamper
Reg. Sep 2008
Posted 2011-04-11 12:10 PM (#132889 - in reply to #132853)
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TBchick, Pickup 3/4 diesel, load range E, I run 65-70 on the fronts, 75-80 (80 is max) on the rears. Like many others, I'm not going to change tire pressures all the time. The vehicle mostly tows. Otherwise, I just put up with the rough ride for the convenience of having the truck ready to tow at any time. I also keep my airbags at 25 minimum for the same reason. If for any reason I make a long trip not towing, I drop the rears to 55. It's worth it if I have to drive any distance unloaded. One time I didn't do this and I was beat to xxxx by a rough highway by the time I got to my destination 10 hours later. For the trailer, max psi per the tire specs.
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TBchick
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2011-04-11 3:23 PM (#132899 - in reply to #132853)
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Thanks everybody. I checked my door sticker. The tires areLT245/75R 16E 16x6 5JFronts are 380 KPA 55 PSIRears are 550 KPA 80 PSIThis truck's sole function it to tow the trailer, so I don't have to worry about non-towing pressure verusus towing. The loaded trailer weighs about 5,000 lbs, tongue weight around 600. I think I will go just shy of max, 45 front/ 70 rear and tweak up or down from there.
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jdzaharia
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2011-04-11 3:32 PM (#132900 - in reply to #132870)
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The door sticker.... This is an average used by the manufacturer to allow a comfortable ride and allow some light loading.


I've never seen a door sticker on a pickup that stated something other than that which would allow for full GVWR loading on the originally installed tires.

Personally, I feel 80 psi in a Load Range E tire on a front axle with a GAWR of 3500-4000 lbs is silly.

That being said, I always choose to err on the side of more air pressure in the tires, up to and including the maximum pressure stated on the tire.
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TBchick
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2011-04-11 5:24 PM (#132909 - in reply to #132853)
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80 PSI is the rating for the rear tires. Fronts are 55.
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retento
Reg. Aug 2004
Posted 2011-04-11 5:58 PM (#132911 - in reply to #132909)
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Originally written by TBchick on 2011-04-11 6:24 PM

80 PSI is the rating for the rear tires. Fronts are 55.

 

 Just be sure that the tires on the truck match the tires on the door sticker...  245-75R-16 lrE.

 

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GRNMCHNEDAZE
Reg. Mar 2010
Posted 2011-04-12 6:08 AM (#132924 - in reply to #132853)
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The pressures listed on the door jamb are not MAX pressures. They are manufacturer recommended pressures. I would not even think about going lower than these. Usually, these are recommended more for ride quality and not load handling capability.

To me, there is not a lot of difference in ride quality from 65-80 psi, however, there is a difference in how the truck handles. More pressure makes for a better handling truck, IMO. I think 45-55 psi is way too low.  

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jdzaharia
Reg. Apr 2006
Posted 2011-04-12 10:01 AM (#132930 - in reply to #132924)
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Originally written by GRNMCHNEDAZE on 2011-04-12 6:08 AM

The pressures listed on the door jamb are not MAX pressures. They are manufacturer recommended pressures.

I agree. They are not NECESSARILY the maximum tire pressure. Sometimes, the manufacturers recommended pressure also HAPPENS to be the tire's rated maximum.


Usually, these are recommended more for ride quality and not load handling capability.

A recommended pressure of 80 psi on a pickup's rear axle has nothing to do with ride quality or comfort. It has everything to do with load handling capability.
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jadatis
Reg. Jul 2010
Posted 2011-04-12 12:46 PM (#132939 - in reply to #132853)
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jadatis
Reg. Jul 2010
Posted 2011-04-12 1:02 PM (#132940 - in reply to #132939)
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If you weighed the axles or sepeate wheels or wheelpairs, you can take some extra and then fill in the weights in spreadsheet I made, in wich I use the same system as the European tyre-makers use. Then you have to read the maximum load and reference-pressure from the tyres-side-wall and fill them in too( maximum load xxxxkg at yyy kPa ( or LBS and psi). There are more spreadsheets on my skydrive of hotmail , yust search for them , you can navigate my public map the same as in a Forum.

http://cid-a526e0eee092e6dc.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public/Caravans%20or%20trailers%20tyrepressure%20advice

in this map spreadsheet for trailers. you have to download it and open it in Excell or likewise programm to use it. directly in the browser wont work because of protection and data-validation I used in it.  And if you cant work it out , give me the details, and I will do it for you.

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TBchick
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2011-04-12 3:33 PM (#132946 - in reply to #132853)
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Well, I had to fix a slow leak today, so I had them just fill them to max. The tires are on the older side anyway, so prolonging life is not a big issue. I'll try that calculator once I have time to take my rig to a scale.
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jadatis
Reg. Jul 2010
Posted 2011-04-12 3:51 PM (#132948 - in reply to #132853)
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I now see that you want to know it for a truck and not a trailer.
For this I made the next spreadsheet.
http://cid-a526e0eee092e6dc.office.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/press...
then you can play afterwards with the temperature and see how the pressure chanches with it. There als the load-percentage (gripp-percentage) this is the percentage the real weight is of the weight you calculate the pressure for. By reactions I state the percentage of 85% under wich you will begin to experiënce discomfort by bouncing.
Over 100% you risk tire-damage. for trailers with no people or aninmal in it I dare to go as low as 80% Load%. But this Load% is open for discussion. To find the weight to calculate with you devide the real weight by the load percentage. Example real weight 850 kg and load% 85%, 850/0.85= 1000 kg to calculate the pressure for and giving maximum reserve for misreadings,pressure-loss, extra load, and stil comfortable ride.
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TBchick
Reg. Feb 2010
Posted 2011-04-12 7:26 PM (#132951 - in reply to #132853)
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And they said we'd never use math in back in high school! Thanks for the info. Now I just have to put my smart cap on and figure it all out.
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jadatis
Reg. Jul 2010
Posted 2011-04-13 1:34 PM (#132971 - in reply to #132853)
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You dont have to put on your smart cap to work with it.
If you have the needed data , yust fill in in the spreadsheet.
I tried to make it so that johny average can fill it in to. If you dot have Office- Excell , you can download for free Open-office with Calc in it wich works almost the same as Excell , a little less on the colors, and the selection of the load-index begins at the beginning, and not at the last point you used. You dont have to know anything about Excell, yust read the spreadsheet and fill in what is asked.
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liv to ride
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2011-04-14 6:52 PM (#132998 - in reply to #132853)
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To each their own, but the minute I have to use a spread sheet to figure out the tire pressure on my truck I'll quit driving. I am also an advocate of running the tires as stated on their sidewalls at the max pressure. My trucks are daily drivers as well as haulers. Personally I don't notice any difference in the ride, but maybe thats because I have done it for so long. The tires I am running now are LT225/75R/17 Load range E and they are inflated to 80psi as the sidewall states. I also figure if it work for Gard it works for me. If a spread sheet is what works for you, than go for it.
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gard
Reg. Aug 2007
Posted 2011-04-15 9:24 AM (#133010 - in reply to #132853)
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I found the spread sheet informative. In particular, I entered some common experiences to find answers, of which I was unfamiliar.

A couple of common questions are: If the tire pressures are measured when they are cold, what happens when they heat up? Should the excess pressure be relieved during the day? The first answer of course, is that the tire pressure increases with heat. The second is that no, the pressure should not be released. A third unasked question would include the answer, the tire manufacturers include the higher pressures in their constructions, and the tires are not damaged while containing them.

Using the spread sheet, I entered a starting pressure of 80 PSI on a 65 degree morning, and ended up with a 95 pound pressure when the tires were hot. I was then given the information that the tire's internal temperature was 145 degres. In my usage, these pressures and outside temperatures are what I've commonly measured.

I was pleasantly relieved to find the relatively low internal tire temperature. It is well within a continuous working temperature, that will not damage the tire, and ensure a good long term reliability.

I too, will not use a spread sheet to determine my daily travels, but it can effectively be a useful tool, to decide if what you are doing, is being done correctly.

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